Test on some scrap wood to get an idea of the color, though it’ll warm up quite a bit under the amber hue of the forthcoming poly. when doing 6 panel doors with the transitional trim on the 6 panels???? If you sand through the thin layer and affect your stain or paint in some way underneath its very difficult to fix. Once you’ve reached your desired look, the trick to getting out without all those steps of dispiriting multi-grade sanding lies in the final two coats. I put on a few coats of oil-based Rustoleum paint (spray). Will a final sanding help with this? In part 1 I demonstrated my technique for sanding and sealing the wood. best . I want it to be pretty water resistant so I picked up a spray can of semi-gloss and a tin of the same brand but it’s brush on and tested on a piece of scrap butcher block. proper guidance virtually anyone can achieve a quality, durable, lasting, One more ultra light, baby soft wet sand with the 600, giving the body a smooth satin texture for the poly to stick to, a thorough clean up with mineral spirits, and wipe on one last blessed coat. The finish gets deeper and glossier the more coats you add. He used your recommendation of using 3-1 parts of Poly and m spirits and 5 coats. Round or thin table legs, railing spindles, chair legs, thin lamp bases, wooden handles, etc. The following are guidelines I use for the number of coats Wood forum people will tell you that, if you must use it, you can save money by mixing your own, a … Let that all harden for a day and you’re ready to really get finishing.                              Not as Messy Hi Paul, The annual Supporting Member Giveaway is on. . Pro-finisher and Fine Woodworking author Teri Masaschi alerted me to the fact that Minwax is now selling a water-based version of their wipe-on poly. You got it backwards. Make sure you sand after your last coat of stain to remove grain raise. Its a coffee table so the poly dries quickly before finishing the whole table. Come back later. The PROS and CONS: Better I’ve used wood conditioner and a Minwax dark oak stain that worked out fairly well (despite forgetting to wipe the bottom side resulting in drips that puddled up on the top surface which I then “fixed” with some mineral spirits and an old credit card to scrape them off and re-stain a bit) but now I’m at the point where I need to put on poly. I would like you to do one using different grains.                              Fewer Coats It can Thanks again! It doesn’t allow a lot of work time. The “other guy” is right. 220 grit or higher sandpaper . It’s too thick and the brush holds too much. The “LAY IT ON THIN” rule applies to wipe on polyurethane as well as brushing on polyurethane. Poly makes heat as it dries, and if that heat is unable to escape, because you threw the rag in the trash or balled it up on the floor, it can start a fire. What sheen are you using? As always longer wait is better. HOW MANY COATS OF POLYURETHANE – RECOMMENDED COATINGS. Be sure to download my 2 page Wipe On Polyurethane Summary Sheet available here Wipe On Polyurethane, Rules, Tips and Paraphernalia PDF and at the end. I get dull streaks in some spots and glossy streaks in other spots. Vacuum the area so that it is free of dust. You’re not alone. Thank yo for your kind words. There is a time to wipe on polyurethane and a time to brush on polyurethane. There are two things you should know about the first coat. Replace the wife and save the counter top!! Hey Jerry. Application Technique  Let’s look at some of the advantages and disadvantages. If not, it can never dry, and will keep any finish on top from drying, too. I have everything stripped I’ve sanded I’m trying to figure out do I use poly stain oil base or water base stain . I was on vacation so today is the day! If you get impatient and try to put on any more than the minimum, you’ll get runs that take much more time and effort to fix than just building up quick, light coats. It seems like my only option? to answer all questions and address your concerns. professional looking finish. This is my last try. While I prefer brushing polyurethane on, using a wipe on polyurethane Wipe down the guitar with paint thinner two to three times, sufficiently cleaning the surface. A ubiquitous finish that can be sprayed, wiped or brushed, developed for slick shiny floors. Do I need to sand to remove polyurethane before coating a second stain? Thee are very few manufacturers of really custom brushes nowadays. . Two finishes: brush on one, wipe on the other. The first one is, how do you prevent the uneven sheen (or gloss) when wiping? Keep the coats light. Not sure if you’ve seen any of my YouTube videos here’s a couple on application: ColorTone Wipe-On Poly is a great alternative when aerosols and solvent based finishes are not appropriate. Family Handyman. Grease stains, dirt, dried mud, and any sort of other filth needs to be washed off before you can apply the first coat of polyurethane. So make sure you have extra wood to practice on (pallets are often made of ash and alder, so Fender guys are good), and be prepared to be super patient and go back to the drawing board a few times. For a small project like a guitar, I’m happy to pay the $15 for a can of premixed. I have a stairway (oak wood) which has one coat of GunStock stained and polyurethane on top a week ago. Here 4. Leave the body hanging, and sniff it once in a while. You can see why I brush on polyurethane when I can. Thank you, OMG Patricia! To make your own wipe on polyurethane I recommend thinning I have sample boards I’m trialing on – and the prestain with stain on pine did not turn out as lovely (grain) than the poly/stain combo – I trialed thinning the poly/stain combo as well – I thought the wipe on could be beneficial (????) I am not familiar with poly/stain combos. I would choose oil over water, especially since stripper really dries out the wod. authorities give us ten different methods. I let you know how it turned out. Secondly, I am presently working on a project that has four finished surfaces; front, sides and back. Brush Cleaning – Paint, Polyurethane, Varnish, Shellac. I’ve got a question, I’m finishing up my first ever major project, it’s an 8′ x 2′ birch butcher block countertop I’m going to be using as a desktop. Three thin coats of wipe-on finish will look smoother than one or two thicker coats. The wood forum people look down on it and on every occasion implore you to buy other finishes which are not for sale anywhere. Pour it in a Plastic Tub A margarine or cottage cheese tub is just right for wipe-on. This is wet sanding. If it’s not tacky, repeat the sanding and poly steps. paul. Anyway Dish the spray can as quick as you can. That will eventually cause your poly to crack if both side aren’t coated. Let it dry for a few minutes and you are now ready for the next coat. (One star). 4. best . Hey Paul, (Or don’t they make an extender for these acrylic resin / urethane blend finishes)? Don’t be me: I carefully applied poly to the guitar with a natural bristle brush. You can get four coats done in a day. Thanks! 4. It’s a satin and I’m having problems. Here is how I apply wipe-on poly to my woodworking projects. I have redone the table several times because the polyutherene doesn’t look good. Acoustic guitars sound better with nitro because it can allegedly, be applied in a thinner coat. And he used a brush. Begin by preparing the wood surface for the finish. Using a 0000 steel wool or fine abrasive pad serves the purpose here. . Strippers vs Heat Gun  So, to properly apply polyurethane over paint: Step 1: Wash the surface. Ate you using an oil or water-based polyurethane? What do you think about an extender made specifically for water base topcoat finishes ? Hi Paul: be 6 times the cost of making your own. For starters let me introduce the actual product to you guys. . Application Technique  1. Easy to use waterbase finish made for instruments! Let’s track down that tenant!! best . I would not recommend a poly/stain combo. Wipe on polyurethane definitely has its place when brushing isn’t efficient or practical. Be sure to coat the underside (do all 3 coats first) as seasonal weather will cause your wood to expand and contract. Cabinets and wet surfaces – 3 COATS BRUSHING – 5 COATS WIPE ON POLYURETHANE, Floors, steps, stools, foot rests (heavy traffic) – 4 COATS – 6 to 7 COATS WIPE ON POLYURETHANE. I would recommend an oil based polyurethane as it has a longer initial dry time allowing brush marks to settle and tiny bubbles to pop. The only way to get a good finish on a large piece with spray equipment is with commercial sprayers and compressors or turbines. I suggest you go to YouTube and watch my video Fixing Polyurethane Bubbles, Puddles, Runs and Brush Marks. I prefer the wipe-on poly over a spray finish just because I’m not really set up for doing a spray finish, like lacquer. In a few hours, depending on heat and humidity, the body can be ready for the next coat. What is Polyurethane? Dripping wet is too much. Hi! I experimented with mixing danish oil colors until arriving at the burnt sugar combination shown. You are right about the sun and the weather here in the midwest is rain on and off (seems like more on). If using Danish oil under poly like this, wood forum wisdom suggests waiting a week until the oil is truly dry before proceeding with the poly. Poly hates to be reworked. Thanks for your help, Hey Raeford. . 2. If you’re not a projects person with scrap wood lying around, buy a 2×4 and have it chopped up at the store. Actually on the poly/stain combo – I was never a fan of them – but on pine have found them to highlight grain much better than a stain first, then poly over – even when using a prestain. Don’t mind being your surrogate dad!! Can you provide the brand that you use? By thinning we are “carrying” less material allowing a thinner coat to be applied. The second thing to realize about the first coat is it tends to raise the grain of virtually all woods. Currently I have been directing people to Gordon Brush. Poly does not seem to change the sound of a solid body electric guitar. It can be used on bare wood as a primary finish, over repairs leaving a durable protective finish, and over … Since the wood is pine, I have already tried different prestaining/stain techniques – and the only one I am pleased with is if I prestain and then go with the Minwax PolyShades – the poly stain seems to keep the pine wood from penetrating one step further than the prestain – so I thought about thinning that for the project and doing multiple (sigh) coats. It is generally about as durable as lacquer of the same thickness. Use it for spraying chess pieces or model cars. In short; you CAN apply a lacquer or a polyurethane over a Danish oil. Whether you prefer the look of nitro over poly, is a personal choice. sheen if you are also brushing polyurethane on the same project. You can put anything over poly, b/c poly is catalized therefore reducers will not melt it. Hope That Helps, After your last coat (you can choose, the more the merrier) then leave it be for about a week or more. Unused wipe on polyurethane that’s been thinned can be stored in an air tight container for second and subsequent coats. paul. It looks spotty when it dries. Followed your oil based poly wipe on directions on an oak Tudor chair (turning, carvings). I will be refinishing this dining room chair. No tools are required for this tutorial, but if you do have a sander, break it out; it will work on the flat areas. Paul! I think you’ll have better control and more color choices with a straight stain. Well that’s it. I felt that was the best stripper for Working indoors but I do have to put on second coats. Working directly from the can of wipe-on poly is tricky, so give it a good shake, then pour a decent whiskey measure into a clean jam jar. Sanding Efficiently  Sorry I just saw your comment. Formby’s Tung Oil Finish (“Finish”, like “Processed cheese product”) is notorious among woodworkers for not actually being tung oil – it’s a blend of other stuff meant to mimic tung oil with less work. . Make sure they are oak though. Paul, it’s going to be indoors, do you still think I should do 3 coats and on all sides? I sanded off what was left of the old finish. He takes a damp, not wet rag, quickly and without ceremony wipes down the surface, and is gone before you read his name tag. with your project. Use a water-based product if you're concerned about color because it won't yellow as much as an oil-based one. but could be rag lint). Spray Poly Question Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by jimd, Jan 23, 2007. Plus I’m worried about overspray drifting onto nearby cars, and in my tight-knit neighborhood, that’s a real concern. But it’s not tung oil. Thank you so much for the awesome videos. I cannot control the run-off to the adjacent surfaces. 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